tax rates, you're not returning to president clinton spending. and you have $16 trillion in debt. all of which, 60% of it matures in the next three years. so this is -- this is so much more of a precarious position, and -- >> so that should have a less impact. >> here's what this requires -- >> -- on the markets and on the economy. >> here's what this requires, guys, ultimately. this president doesn't ever have to run for election again, for anything. right? what this requires are a group of men and women on capitol hill who will stand up and say, i'm going to go head, and i'm going to put my own political future at risk, do what will move us forward. there are husbands and wives all over the country who disagree on an issue. and they sit at their kitchen table and they say, no, i believe strongly in my point of view. but eventually one side gives and says, okay, let's try it your way. if all we do is stay at the kitchen table and neither one is willing to give, we can keep electing a new crop and they do the same thing again and again and again.